Sunday, May 22, 2011

60 Minutes piece: Adask and Bork's thoughts.

If you haven't browsed the comments section for the 60 Minutes piece, you should do so now. The butthurt is astounding. I don't think that the finest trolls on the internet could ever master trolling as well as the folks at 60 Minutes. 

I decided to take a trip up to Alfred Adask's website, to see what he thinks about his appearance on last Sunday's piece. Well, he has a lengthy response about it, and he's not too pleased, but ultimately felt that he did well. I have a few thoughts on it below:
  • He likens the piece to a witch-hunt, but from my understanding of witch-hunts (Salem Trials, the McCarthy era), the 60 Minutes piece is nothing in comparison.
  • There's no connection made between Jerry Kane and Alfred Adask. 60 Minutes never made the connection. 
  • Alfred's writing is weird. He claims one thing, and then hedges it later (Ex: I'm being linked... I'm implicitly being linked. Why not say the latter the first time around?)
  • Apparently he's not a gun owner. Whoops! My mistake. 
  • Despite having a short wave radio show and a magazine, he lives in a rented trailer, and was evicted because landlord didn't want a Ruby Ridge on his property. The actual interview was shot in a nearby hotel lobby.
  • Uses God as a mechanism to make bad moves/distance himself or disown bad ideas: "My landlord thought I was a fool—and he might be right.  But, as I said, the Good LORD had opened that door, so I had to walk through." 
  • Part of Adask's demeanor in interview is based on his feeling that he was being set up because they kept asking him the same question over and over regarding 2nd Amendment Solutions on politicians. 
  • Has a strange concept in advertising: Byron Pitts told me that 60 Minutes reaches between 12 and 18 million viewers each Sunday.  Let’s suppose 15 million watch my interview tonight and 14 million leave absolutely convinced that Alfred Adask is the biggest a-hole that’s ever been on TV.  By the time the program is over, those 14 million may all be convinced that I belong in a cage in Guantanamo. But that still leaves one million listeners who might see through the editing, see through the bias, and understand my “warning”.  That’s more people in 12 minutes, than I’ve probably reached in the past 21 years.  As a watchman, there’s no way I can pass up that opportunity. Good for you for passing your milestone. But don't forget, there's probably a few IRS agents who have watched the program, and plan on taking a closer look at your file because of that interview. 

Feel free to check out the archive if you want to hear it Alfred's voice. I'm thinking of hosting the archived .mp3 file, but I don't want to get into a copyright battle. I'll shoot wwfar.com an Email about it some time.

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So how is LB Bork and RJ coping with the 60 Minutes piece? 

JJ MacNab's thread moved up to front page. A quick excerpt of the first post:
The thing is, I can agree with most of what she says. Too bad about her assuming things. Nontheless, reading her material, she must believe in involuntary servitude by the way she thinks. If you want to understand the psyche of this "woman (term used loosely)", just one look at the posts she makes on her sites:


LB's sexism is showing here. No true woman would question LB Bork and his scheme for they must obey men as commanded in the Bible.  
Now to the real reason for updating this thread:


May 15, 2011

Byron Pitts reports on a movement the FBI now considers one of the nation's top domestic terror threats

    "What is a sovereign citizen?" Pitts asked J.J. MacNab, who has been studying sovereign citizens for a decade. "Sovereign citizen, in its simplest form, believes that he is above the law," she explained. MacNab has testified before Congress and is writing a book about the movement. "He has a twisted sense of history and he thinks that people who lived in the 18th century were free of all legal constraints. And they want to return to that time now," she said. Jerry and Joe Kane were part of an anti-government movement whose roots date back to the racist Posse Comitatus of the 1970s and the Montana Freemen of the 1990s. Convicted Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols was a sovereign citizen. And tax filings by actor Wesley Snipes, convicted of tax evasion in 2008, include numerous examples of sovereign language. "(The) Average sovereign citizen today is 30-35, and is in economic dire straits. They've probably lost their job. They've probably lost the wife," MacNab said. Asked if they're paranoid, she told Pitts, "Many are." "Conspiracy theorists?" Pitts asked. "Most are," she replied.
SHOULD I REALLY COMMENT ON THIS  Smiley

Anyway, I am not a "Sovereign Citizen". Who came up with this anyway?
And a Conspiracy Theorist"? No, I tend to like to prove unlawful-secret plots with evidence.
I got into "Truth Seeking" when I was over thirty... Not that those MacNab comments were all that accurate.

Finally, "racist Posse Comitatus"... You have got to be kidding?!? LOL  * More on Posse Commitatus below

* POSSE COMITATUS NOTES

   JJ's version, which may be some agent provocateur operation for all we know...
    RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST GROUPS OF INTEREST. The Posse Comitatus (from the Latin phrase meaning "force of the county") is a loosely organized far right social movement that opposes the United States federal government and believes in radical localism. There is no single national group, and local units are autonomous. From American Fraud 
The real Posse Comitatus, from the Homeland Security Website...
    History. The original 1878 Posse Comitatus Act was indeed passed with the intent of removing the Army from domestic law enforcement. Posse comitatus means “the power of the county,” reflecting the inherent power of the old West county sheriff to call upon a posse of able-bodied men to supplement law enforcement assets and thereby maintain the peace. Following the Civil War, the Army had been used extensively throughout the South to maintain civil order, to enforce the policies of the Reconstruction era, and to ensure that any lingering sentiments of rebellion were crushed. However, in reaching those goals, the Army necessarily became involved in traditional police roles and in enforcing politically volatile Reconstruction-era policies. The stationing of federal troops at political events and polling places under the justification of maintaining domestic order became of increasing concern to Congress, which felt that the Army was becoming politicized and straying from its original national defense mission. The Posse Comitatus Act was passed to remove the Army from civilian law enforcement and to return it to its role of defending the borders of the United States. From The Myth of Posse Comitatus
As you can see, the United States was out-of-line. And, the term "rebel" as used against the falsely named "Civil War" is also an out-of-line propaganda term. The courts even refer to it as "War Between the States" as a civil war is internal to a nation. Point, there was no "rebellion" against the United States. Check the "real" law on this. This abuse of the United States is cause for some people to be upset. Truth does not make someone "anti-government".

Here is the paper I wrote, thanks to JJ MacNab and her ignorance The Origin of Sovereign Citizens
Interesting deflection there, LB. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 is not related in the way that you think it is. She's talking about a real movement. Here's everything else Google pulls up. It's well documented, and part of your theories come from that movement.

Sidethought: I still find it amusing that LB loathes being called a Sovereign Citizen, but still acts like one.

Here's the real 60 Minutes thread. Some quick snippets:
SPREAD THE WORD - 60 MINS CLIP SUNDAY YOUR TIME ZONE ON THE SOVEREIGN MOVEMENT

CBS 60 Minutes is going to do a hit piece on the Sovereign Citizen movement this Sunday May 15th featuring Jerry Kane and Alfred Adask. We need people to watch it and then email or write CBS with their displeasure at the skewing of and propagandizing of this movement.

Anti-government "guru" explains doctrine. Ever heard of the sovereign citizen movement? Alfred Adask explains the straw man theory and other anti-government beliefs to "60 Minutes."
LB Bork: Garbage referral service. Surely not the only one.

This next one is a gem.
From: Bob Hurt <bob@bobhurt.com>
Subject: [Lawmen: 4331] CBS Prevaricates about Sovereign Citizens, supports ADL and SPLC Pinkos
To: lawmen@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 3:01 PM

Did you see this 60 min interview with cops and so-called sovereign citizens yesterday?

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3679870-60-Minutes-focuses-on-s...

The story fails to point out what I told Clem Taylor, a producer of the segment repeatedly: 
The patriot movement (incuding sovereign citizens) arises as a direct consequence of crime in government
(by government employees under color of law). 

The show pointed to the SWAT murder of father and son educators Jerry and Joe Kane in a Wal-Mart parking lot as JUSTIFIED by the notion that they had murdered the police chief's son and nephew during a traffic stop on an I41 offramp near West Memphis Arkansas last year.  Donna Kane, Jerry's widow, has filed federal lawsuit for torture killing against the SWAT and their seniors.  She has proven uncontrovertibly that Jerry and Jo did not kill those cops, and that the SWAT murders of J and J amounted to an execution for their activism, as targets of opportunity.  I know Donna personally and have listened to her explain in detail how the cops altered some evidence, suppressed other evidence, and lied about J and J, who had nothing to do with the cops' deaths.

Thus, CBS used its bully pulpit to smear J and J, justify their SWAT murder, and justify nationwide persecution of innocent sovereign citizens (fed up with government crimes in courts, by cops, and by the IRS) across America.  Apparently they do so under direction of the Anti Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center, both Pinko groups whose leaders and propagandists hate seeing Americans stand up for their rights against government crooks, in spite of that very purpose symbolized by their names.

Let us face a harsh reality here.  IF cops or other government employees abuse people or stomp on their rights, under color of law or not, they thereby BEG for their own assassination by people who righteously, and justifiably, HATE crime in government.  The Chief and his son may have had a reputation for abusing people.  CBS refused to address that important issue.  The evidence showed that they stopped a white van with an orange roof (which J and J's car did not have) and hispanic men killed them with automatic machine guns that fired bullets in such quantity as to eliminate the Kanes from the suspect list, for the Kanes did not have weapons that could put that amount of metal (28 rounds, according to CBS, but Donna indicated many more than that) into those cops.

J and J had an AK47.  It does not shoot the kinds of bullets found in the cops' bodies.
J and J had no other automatic weapons.

Bottom Line, J and J did not kill those cops, and SWAT killed J and J, and CBS implied J and J did kill the cops.  Clem Taylor failed to include Donna Wray's comments in the story, even after I gave them her contact info and told them they needed her story to get at the truth.  Apparently CBS does not care about the truth and only wants to make cops hate sovereign citizens.  I expect to hear an increasing array of stories about cops abusing people as a result.
I have seen crazy theories regarding Jerry and Joe Kane's last moments on Earth, but none this stupid. Bob Hurt is definitely from another planet.
 SilverDave wrote on May 17th, 2011 at 9:16pm:
I saw the show Sunday night and was disheartened by the obvious bias of the presentation. I only became aware of Adask a few weeks ago so I can't comment much on him in particular. Any opinions out there on him (good? bad?)

I have know Al for years. He is a great guy, but seems not to dismiss anything. Of course I have been recently referred to as a "Purist". The way I look at it, there is BS and there is Accuracy.

Of course, in law sometimes that is hard to acheive.
It's funny, because I know you two for a half of a year, and your both full of it.


Well, that is all that I can muster. Stay tuned.
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Wednesday, May 18, 2011

60 Minutes piece on Sovereign Citizens

I missed the 60 Minutes broadcast last Sunday, but the Who are "Sovereign Citizens" piece is up on the CBS website and it is definitely worth watching. I also highly recommend the 60 Minutes Overtime, segments listed below:
If you're cruising for butthurt, read the comments section. The standard that they hold to broadcast journalism is ridiculous. There's only so much that can be said in 13 minutes, people.

Quatloos also has a thread on the piece. Some valid criticism is made in the thread - Overtime should have went into double overtime and explain the illegality of sovereign theories and paper terrorism.

SPLC has their own take on the 60 Minutes piece as well.

It's a sobering view. I've been riding high making fun of LB Bork, and despite the fact that he is a small fish, this news piece popped my bubble, hurtling me down to reality. There are consequences to what I'm saying, and there's really nothing to stop LB Bork from gathering what he can and ordering RJ Mills to hunt me down (and he's not the only one around here who will take the order). Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of my own safety - because I'm confident in my safety measures. However, I am afraid that I might cause an accidental death because LB Bork can't figure out where I live, so he'll pick whoever fits and run with it. Honestly, I don't know how I'll ever live with myself if that ever happens.

Who are "Sovereign Citizens?"

If you are familiar with the police training video that SPLC released a year ago, you'll find some considerable overlap between the two, both in footage used and data. It starts with Jerry Kane, a redemption scam salesman who lived out of his car with his son Joe, who on one day, snapped on a traffic stop in West Memphis, AK and killed two police officers (Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert). Soon after, Jerry and his son, were killed in a shootout with police in a Walmart parking lot. The piece then goes into Police Chief Bob Paudert's (Brandon's father) mission in educating law enforcement about the dangers of Sovereign Citizens.

Here, the footage of Jerry Kane's promotional seminar is much better in the 60 Minutes video. The message is the same, but we get to meet Joe Kane for a brief moment. He's very young, home-schooled, thin, fresh faced, and sports a tight military haircut. It almost seems as if Jerry taught his son that there's a war coming soon, and he modeled his son to look like a contemporary US soldier. I wouldn't be surprised if, hypothetically, a military recruiter once looked at him and thought "16...18... What's the difference? Welcome to the Corps, son!" Because of this, I find Joe's death tragically ironic - he died with his dad like an anti-government nutjob, yet he doesn't look the part.  

After that, the correspondent interviews J.J. MacNab, who is an expert in Sovereign Citizens groups and authored an article about them for SPLC. She also posts on Quatloos under the handle Demosthenes (pro poster). Anyway, she basically lays it all out to Byron Pitts with a sense of brevity that I wish I had.

It then cuts to Alfred Adask, who I've mentioned before in previous posts. He is a Sovereign Guru, and disseminates his Redemption theory on his short wave radio show, in his blog, and in his publication Anti-Shyster (hate Jews much, Alfred?). He also espouses 2nd Amendment solutions - not in a coded manner, he actually advocates killing lawyers, politicians, federal employees, and the like.

Alfred Adask's appearance surprises me. I honestly don't know how the 60 Minutes crew found him; perhaps he's the most visible and the most willing to do an interview. Honestly, I always thought the sovereign citizen scene is a free-for-all with no leaders, but I guess he is a big fish after all.

So for the first time ever, I see Alfred's face, and it is not the face that I expected to see. I don't know if it's a mean lighting trick that 60 Minutes used, but Alfred looks like he hasn't slept in a day, and worse, is obviously agitated. But Alfred went through the verbal motions he normally does on his radio show, complaining about government has abandoned it's core principles and it is too big and unlimited. Though when asked whether or not he pays taxes, he deflects in saying that he does except on backtaxes - which is a stupid thing to admit, but ultimately helps retain his street cred. among his followers. He has been burned before, so it's no surprise that he'd rather be a mouthpiece instead of a martyr.  

Here's the Quatloos thread if you don't want to Google.

The piece then moves on to paper terrorism - the scummier aspect of sovereign ideology - the act of filing bogus liens on their enemies such as law enforcement and judges to get even for their alleged mistreatment. Judge Robert Vosper of Rosendale, NY, is a victim of it. He carries a gun now because he learned of the connection between the filer of those liens (Richard Ulloa) with Jerry Kane.

Note on 9:40 - lol on the third mugshot. Looks like The Three Stooges Factory needs some Q&A. But truth be told, that man is apparently smart enough to know how to file a lien.

Note on 10:37, the Alaskan Sovereign convicted, look at his face and body language. He definitely appears to be a sociopath, and could use some psychiatric help.

Adask is then asked about his statement regarding 2nd Amendment solutions, in which Byron Pitts says that some people close to the Tuscon shooting might find his stance troubling, in which he finds it troubling that the government would ignore his speech and restrict his right to bear arms. Though I don't know why anyone doesn't find it troubling that he is advocating violence to an audience that might take his message too seriously. Paudert then saves the day and rightfully calls him crazy. Thanks Paudert.

In the OT piece, we learn the true nature of how Adask lives: deeply paranoid. The act of having a hired armed guard, writing down the crew's license plate numbers, is paranoia. There's no reason for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if the information was given to someone who might use it to stalk them or worse. Byron then tries to understand Adask's ideology, but to no avail. Though in my opinion, he just saved himself some brain cells.

But overall, Adask did not fare well in this, nor does he deserve to. He is a shitty person, he advocates violence and paper terrorism - and as a gun owner, I would want nothing more than his guns stripped away immediately. He's clearly irresponsible.

The rest of the videos, while interesting, were understandably cut for continuity. If you want to know the gritty details of the shootout, click on it. Unfortunately, it's a bit much for me.

Well, that's my take on the 60 Minutes piece. It was good, could be better in some areas, like how their theories don't work in court, but it's still effective nonetheless. Do check out the comments to the videos, there's some hilarious butthurt going around from some sovereigns trying to play damage control.

Stay safe!
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Saturday, May 14, 2011

NMG Field Trip (Part 9)

It's been a while since I have taken a look at NMG. So much has changed in the world, for instance, Osama bin Laden is dead and the media have saturated the airwaves over it. I'm curious of what LB Bork thinks of it, but I can't find a thread about it that's public.

I last left off on State Nationals Society, and since there's nothing going on, I'm going to go to the next forum up. But before I do, here's where LB stands on voting and consent. The best part is the George Carlin in regards to voting video, and LB's delusion that Carlin's stance on voting is the exact same as LB's.

PAC Groups Education section is divided into two subforums, PAC Education Groups (ugh!) and Events for PAC Groups. PAC Education Groups is basically The Red Amendment book club/study group. Except there isn't a whole lot of studying going on. Hell, there's not a whole lot of anything going on in there. Nobody cares when the end goal is to escape the system, and it only costs $450 in two easy payments of $225 + $300 for membership. (and it generally works).

Remember that testimonial that LB likes to post all the time? Well, I ran into it again in The Red Amendment Reading Group | Hello thread.

Testimonial from a Reader
After careful review and consideration of "The Red Amendment" it is my privilege and pleasure to endorse and offer high praise to this most exceptional scholarly work. If I were pressed to define the book in a few words it would be as "a treatise on the subject matter of regaining your God given rights and in the shortest amount of space". Mr. Bork's dissertation expertly assists the Freedom Lover from Alpha to Omega without any of the pain or guess work usually associated with the classical mistakes made in the freedom movement (claiming the political status of Sovereign while strapped with the balls & chains of the 14th). The Red Amendment is not to be mistaken as a linear or singular dissertation for tax tyranny avoidance. This book is powerful, timeless and provides essential hidden knowledge that when employed will liberate the masses.

If you are not inclined to live as a Slave on his knee and shackled with "relative privileges", ruled in a ruthless fashion by a Nation of Men (The Legislator)... read this book. If you are inclined to possess the Natural Rights and the very essence of freedom enjoyed by our self governing Founding Fathers ... read this book!

I began the study of Constitutional Law in 1994 and can state without reservation, there no better source than "The Red Amendment" for comprehensive study on this most important subject matter.

Respectfully Submitted,
Michael Davis, Illinois
The last paragraph is my favorite. Most comprehensive, huh... out of all the constitutional law books in the US? Something tells me that Michael Davis has been searching long and hard for a book that tells him everything that he wants to hear. That's hardly studying.

Are you ready to drink the Kool-Aid?
PAC Educational Groups / For our first time visitors

Please note to be a member of this section of the NMG Forum you must obtain a copy of The Red Amendment.

It is hoped that you will read The Red Amendment as this is the explanation of the legal issues surrounding the reason for nationality correction. There is a misconception that people are sovereign when, in fact, it is their country (state) that is given the sovereignty by the people. This one-of-a-kind book will explain why we are not sovereign and why we must correct our nationality in order for the state sovereignty movement to really work.

There are more categories (available once you register on the forum) contained within this section that we may, finally, receive the education we never had in understanding how we will lay claim to have lawful standing by correcting the situation in law...not being silent. Otherwise, the fact remains that people are born within the dominion/jurisdiction of a governmental system that has claimed title to their bodies, so to speak.

We must not be silent...silence is submission!

People who are dedicated to Their Education and the Freedom of Others wear this tag under their name. ...


PLEASE NOTE : There are two different aspects to PAC Educational Groups. They are as follows :

    ONE) ... There is PAC Groups on the Not My Government forum.                     Once registered with the NMG PAC Groups Section, there is so much more to see!
If you are not a NMG member, we ask that you register with the forum at : www.notmygovernment.us/register

Registration instructions to this section will come with The Red Amendment. If you already have a copy of The Red Amendment, please send a Moderator a Private Message (PM) and request to be added.
    TWO) ... The Advanced PAC Groups is found at www.pacgroups.us                     An advanced group for the Law Study & Nationality Correction, which is another registration.
For the above noted purpose, PAC has extended educational information available from PAC Groups. Please contact a representative in your state (country) to get information on getting started : www.pacgroups.us/portals

To get your copy of The Red Amendment, visit the link below :

...  www.redamendment.net
Remember guys, if we all don't give money to LB Bork, then we'll never be able to skip out on our taxes. (a bloo bloo bloo!)


Going nowhere on the basic track? If you act now, we can get you on the advanced track. Talk to your sexy representative right now for more! They're standing by...

PAC Educational Groups | Advanced Membership

Are you interested in becoming a State National and shedding the corporate status of the United States? We invite you to join us over at PAC Groups.* Here you can get advanced education. The Coalition has narrowed down the information out there so you do not have to wade through all the dis/misinfomation that is available from various groups.
To visit PAC Groups, visit the link below :

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... www.pacgroups.us


* Please note to be an advanced member of PAC Groups Education you must obtain a copy of The Red Amendment.

   People dedicated to Their Education and the Freedom of Others wear this tag under their name. ...
The last time I tried talking to sexy state nationals in my state, there wasn't anyone listed. Now there's an email form, which I'm certain goes straight to LB Bork or Geoff J. Very lame.

I haven't noticed this nugget before when I clicked on the register link (bolded for emphasis):
GENERAL PAC GROUP: This group has access to specific information to study so that they can prepare for correcting their nationalities. This group will have access to tutorial guidance and an interactive forum that pertains to matters that surround issues of nationality correction. People in this group should understand principles that are outlined in The Red Amendment and have their Nationality Correction Application submitted.
NATIONALITY PROCESS GROUP: This group is in the process of correcting their nationalities. This user area maintains help areas for people going through the correction of nationality process.
STATE NATIONALS GROUP: This group has access to exclusive material that is available to State Nationals after their status is corrected. The exclusive information includes State Nationals ID, State Nationals Vehicle Plates, and legal process and other information that pertains to the corrected status.


Please understand the general guidelines for membership:


PAC Groups is an exclusive area for people who register only. We ask that you note people who are going through correction of nationality need to register so that they can submit any questions they have in regard to the process; this to better serve the people who are going through correction of nationality.


We require that anyone that registers for the PAC User Group not share their log in information with anyone. This may be monitored so that it is detectable if this is done. If you plan to use more than one computer, or your computer at a different location, please let us know.


Finally, make sure that you fill in all information on the form correctly when you are registering. The failure to do so may cause rejection by the database of the application that you submit.
HAHA, Oh wow! ID cards and license plates - And PACinlaw denies being a Sovereign Citizen's group? Practically every goddamn Sovereign Citizen group does this. I can't even imagine going very far with the State National license plate, all it takes is one cop to notice it and it's all over. No ID card or legal papers is going to stop the cop from towing the car away, let alone stopping the fines and a hefty towing bill. Seriously, what good is tax defiance if your bread and butter is being towed away?

Also note the language of the bolded sentence: "exclusive information." I wonder how much the license plate, ID cards, and other legal information costs after the Nationality Correction.

Sidebar: In all seriousness, I should register with PACinlaw just to see how stupid the process is.

Is LB Bork Dogmatic? Yes, retardedly so.
I have been said to be dogmatic in my position. Well, I am here to address that.

  • DOGMATIC. Characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly
    or positively as if they were facts <a dogmatic critic> ~Merriam-Webster
I would like everyone to keep in mind that I do not agree with everything that has been done in the realm of law in the United States, or within the realm of international law the past 2000 years or so, but understand that you cannot reinvent the wheel like some people like to think that they can arrogantly do in this movement.

Having that established, one must understand that there are methods or remedies that leave one a "way out". Not using the methods that "the system" has allowed and acting outside it is an act of insanity.

The thing is, people who do not follow the rules set forth by the system will get them in trouble. That is fact.

There is the option to do whatever you want and perhaps go to prison or cause a war. This is fact.

So perhaps I am a bit dogmatic. But one thing is for sure...
                                        I have more common sense than most. That is a fact.

Thanks for your support, LB Bork
(thanks Bartles & James)
So we must free ourselves from the Matrix by using the Matrix some more. Right, got it. (alternatively, we must renounce government buy using it, or we stop using heroin by using more heroin.)

Oh dear! LB has a bad taste in Metallica. So for the record, LB has an interesting taste in movies and a terrible taste in music and stand-up comedy (Blue Collar Comedy troupe) . 


The rest of the subforum is basically dumbed down material from the PACinlaw website. I'll be saving that for future commentary.

The Events for PAC Groups subforum isn't much more interesting, except for this thread. It's pretty epic, so I'm just going to post snippets. (emphasis is mine)
One man's testimony on the issues encompassed in this issue:

QUOTE:

I am in complete agreement with the points you made in your latest e-letter. I think I can say I started to wake up to the great con perperated on the American people back in 2002. I tried to take on the banks regarding my mortgage but ened up losing two homes in the process. I paid fees and tried many processes peddeled by so-called patriots for profit.

Then I thought I could be part of restoring our republic by supporting Ron Paul for president. And I continue to support him and those who align themselves with his ideals. But I think the political process is so corrupted it is futile to expect change to come via the existing system. I believe we have to be the change we want to see in this world.

I tried Pete Hendrickson's ideas and ended up with $5,000 frivilous filing penalties for multiple tax years.

I tried Tim Turner's freedom documents and BC Bonds. It cost a lot of money and work to prepare the bonds and mail them only to have them completely ignored.

I tried the 1099 OID process and the IRS simply hit me with another $5,000 penalty. I was lucky; I know people who lost their homes and everything they own.

Now the IRS is garnishing $400 from my pay checks. I am a federal employee and they are using the federal payment levy program to steal the fruits of my labor. I believe the money I receive in exchange for my labor is my property and they have no right to take any of it, even if I am a federal emplolyee. I want to fight them on this.
lol. Further down in another post.
And if the people who used Pete's 4852 method were actually not required to file income tax returns, have taxes withheld, etc. (which most people aren't), they would not have filled out a Form W-4 to begin with !!
Although it's virtually impossible to get a "normal" job without filling out a W-4, there is no law which requires that you do & there never has been - you just volunteered into their system, identified yourself as a "taxpayer", admitted that you do owe taxes on your earnings & authorized your employer to withhold from your pay.  And now you want to turn around & again, using THEIR forms, say I want my withholding back - well, you should have never volunteered into the withholding scheme in the 1st place !!!
And you have no "standing" to argue Constitutional law, the illegality of the current tax system, etc. when you're charged with falsifying THEIR forms, after you VOLUNTEERED into THEIR system !!!  DUH !!!  It's the same thing as moving to another country, taking a job there, filling out their forms to get it, then when you realize your paycheck isn't anywhere near as big as you thought it would be from all the taxes taken out, you start screaming "Constitutional rights" !!!  Hey - you put yourself in that situation, in their jurisdiction, etc. - if you want someone to bitch at, look in the mirror !!!


From my engineering / construction background I often say, "When your foundation is flawed, anything you build on it will automatically be flawed" - trying to "fix" systems we've got in this country is like trying to fix machines & wiring on the 30th floor of a building with a broken foundation & generators in the basement that don't work right.  Or you could say, "hacking at branches" when the problem is the root !! 
The volunteered aspect of the argument is flawed and busted. Granted, these aren't LB's words, but he did author a document called "Income Tax, Do You Volunteer?" which features his own stupid spin on the argument.

Don't hold your breath for another field trip.
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Thursday, May 5, 2011

Analyzing an RJ-esque post. (81)

I don't post on Craigslist as much anymore, certainly not anything that I care to reproduce here. It wasn't until I started this post that I noticed a slight change in CL - they now retain the headers on my archived posts, which is nice because I can copy/paste easily without creating my own dumb header. Because of this change, I thought that now is a good time to try out new formatting styles so I can preserve the HTML. Enjoy!

A subtle edit in RJ's newly spammed message "PUBLIC "FOOL" SYSTEM.

RE: PUBLIC "TOOL" SYSTEM

Date: 2011-04-20, 5:41PM EDT
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WAAAAAH! I wanna use every public service imaginable and not pay for it!!!
But don't tell me to go live in a truly free society like Somalia, I'm too chickenshit to defend myself!!!
Plus, I need an Ayatollah telling me what to do and think. Life is so unfair when I have to share just a little with others!!!

Hey, I know! I'll try to draft legal theories attacking the Constitution so when the IRS picks me up for back taxes owed, I can piss the court's time away such that that they'll be begging to let me go. And while I'm waiting for the IRS to catch up to me, I'll sucker people into attending my expensive seminars. I'm so goddamn original, my stuff should be self promoting!

Man, isn't it a great time to be a selfish, I mean, "Patriotic American?"
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Folks, enough is enough!


I just want people to be aware if you are at all interested in the Republic of the 'united States of America' there is information out there that can provide understanding you will never find or was never taught to most, when you attended the PUBLIC "FOOL" SYSTEM or any other school, including College or University.

A group of us are working on issues of Foreclosures and what to do and much more. If interested contact me back.

It is time for men and women to not only say to themselves that enough is enough but take the time to learn the truth about:

The Corrupt IRS, which is unconstitutional, and why your WAGES are not INCOME, so why are you filing a FED TAX RETURN?
When did you agree to be a US CITIZEN (SLAVE) and no longer a citizen of the several States (FREE). How and why did this happen?
Learn why the FBI, CIA, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, TSA and all the other agencies are all unconstitutional?
Why the bank has never provided you a LOAN for a house or car and how to prove the FRAUD?
How you gave away your children to the STATE and don't know it?
How you NEVER can own a HOUSE (You are only a TENANT), so why are you paying TAXES, when the LANDLORD is responsible to do so?
Learn how you gave away your Vehicle to the STATE and how you can reclaim it (your Chattel property)?
A BIRTH CERTIFICATE is nothing more than a WAREHOUSE receipt. Learn how you can reclaim your Live 'BORNE' RECORD and your children?
Learn how to assert your RIGHTS to your real property (your NAME and your BODY and your CHILDREN) and reclaim them?
Why all the courts are either ADMIRALTY/MARITIME or EQUITY courts and never Common Law or Law Common Courts and why this is important to know?
Learn how to get issues heard in the right court (This is a matter of Conduct and staying in Honor at all times)?
Learn what 'Political Will' means and why what you do (Conduct) tells the government whether you are a SLAVE or Free Inhabitant?
Learn how JUDGES (employees) are violating your true rights granted by your CREATOR?
By what Real Interest do judges have in PRE-EXISTING 'PARENTAL RIGHTS' and how judges who issue orders taking away those Parental Rights act in DISHONOR?
Learn how to use an 'ECCLESIASTICAL DEED POLL' (EDP) and why this is has impact on JUDGES?
Learn how to use an 'ECCLESIASTICAL DEED POLL of DISHONOR' (EDPD) and what happens when you use this?
Learn what this term means: "OWN NOTHING, BUT CONTROL EVERYTHING". This is what the RICH do and why they pay little to no taxes?
Learn why you want to get everything you own into a TRUST and why this is important?
Learn how the CAFR (Consolidated Annual Financial Reports) are the key to learning the TRUTH that there is no BUDGET deficient and you can find out why.? (This is not connected to UCADIA or ONE-HEAVEN.) I sent out an e-mail on 1/29 with the information and link for ALL STATES CAFR'S
Learn how the TRF (Tax Retirement Funds) are the key to governments running HONESTLY and with INTEGRITY and why you should demand such? (This is not connected to UCADIA or ONE-HEAVEN.)


Certainly, the above is just a small amount of the vast information available to men and women who want to learn the TRUTH. Most of this is available at the following links:


http://one-heaven.org/ecclesiastical_deed_poll/edp_introduction.htm.
http://www.one-heaven.org/home.asp. (This is the Introduction page to One-Heaven)
http://www.one-heaven.org/court_success/court_contents.htm
http://www.one-heaven.org/covenant/heaven_1120.htm
http://www.one-heaven.org/canons_positive_law/article_0000.htm (This is the intro page to Positive Law)
http://www.one-heaven.org/canons_positive_law/article_1000.htm (Cestui Que Vie Trust) Critical to know
http://one-heaven.org/covenant/heaven_0000.htm
http://one-heaven.org/canons_positive_law/article_0780.htm (Definition of HOLDER)
http://one-heaven.org/ecclesiastical_deed_poll/edp_introduction.htm (This is the explanation about the Deed Poll as reference above)
http://university.ucadia.info/news.php?item.12.1 (There is a lot of information at this site)
http://www.university.ucadia.info (the transcripts that have been done of previous calls you can locate there)

and then follow these Articles below under One-Heaven (Positive Law) (http://www.one-heaven.org/canons_positive_law/article_0000.htm)

The question is: Do men and women want to know the TRUTH? It takes work to be FREE. Think of it this way:

1. Did you learn to do anything the first time you tried it?

2. Did your children learn to walk the first time they tired?

3. Did you learn to drive your vehicle when you got in it the first time?

4. Did you have to study before taking a test?


Apply this to anything you think of doing or are currently doing. TRUTH takes time to grasp and sort out fact from myth and fiction.

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JUNE 21, 1788: THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE BECOMES THE NINTH STATE TO RATIFY THE CONSTITUTION OF SEPTEMBER 17, 1787

Article VII of the Constitution of September 17, 1787 states “this Constitution” is established between the first nine States, when the ninth one ratifies. When George Washington takes this oath: “I, George Washington, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” “So help me God,” only eleven States have ratified the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

My Basic Course in Law and Government is the only law course available anywhere, which teaches the beginner how to use the four Organic Laws of the united States of America to limit Congress to the territory owned by or subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Confederacy, the united States of America.

You can learn to prove the Constitution of September 17, 1787 was never adopted, and much more. Contact me at edrivera@edrivera.com to get information you need to enroll in my course if you are interested.

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I sometimes wonder where RJ digs up this shit. Does he just work off of a google search "sovereign citizens"?

Nine days later, I have noticed a strange up-tick in ultra-conservative posting, bordering on racist and homophobic. I couldn't be too sure in giving RJ proper credit for these posts:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie....? (Barackwards Obama)

Date: 2011-04-29, 2:59PM EDT
Reply to: comm-semfm-2353342639@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]



Homosexuality no more immoral than heterosexuality....????

“What do you think about General Pace’s comments that homosexuality is immoral?”

“I think traditionally the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman has restricted his public comments to military matters.

“I don’t think homosexuals are immoral any more than I think heterosexuals are immoral.” Obama said,

America's.... D-O-U-B-L-E....S-T-A-N-D-A-R-D

God gave them up unto vile affections: for men burned in their lust one toward another. (Romans 1:25-27)



UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE - UCMJ

SECTION 925. ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) ANY PERSON FOUND GUILTY OF SODOMY SHALL BE PUNISHED AS A COURT-MARTIAL MAY DIRECT.


Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Romans 1:25-27)

UCMJ IS THE STANDING LAW OF THE MILITARY

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When I came across this post, I thought, What the hell? So a gay man can't openly serve because he's bound to commit sodomy? And what makes you think that sodomy is the worst goddamn thing a soldier can do? And who cares if he's gay, we already require him to break the fifth commandment (6th if you're not Catholic), which is quite unchristian. Man, fuck this asshole. It's people like you that make me glad that we don't live in a Christian nation.

Aside from obvious homophobia, at a glance, this post seems like something RJ would copy and paste. It features law and biblical citations that don't really support the premise of the post, and unnecessary/aggressive use of capitalization to deliver the post. The only curveball here is the use of anonymized email address, which is something that RJ doesn't do unless by accident (*cough* pussy *cough*). Ultimately, I can't really claim that it is an RJ post.

Operation Sleeping Giant (OATH KEEPERS)

Date: 2011-04-29, 3:28PM EDT
Reply to: see below [Errors when replying to ads?]


http://www.operationsleepinggiant.com/


America's veterans truly are like a sleeping giant. It is time to awaken them and fill them with a terrible resolve to defeat the domestic enemies of our Constitution and their internationalist fellow travelers. The time has come to restore our Republic. The hour is late, and our Constitution hangs by a thread. If we wake the veterans up, this Republic will be saved. If we don’t, this Republic will fall. It’s as simple as that.




Let’s WAKE THEM UP so they can help us wake up the whole country.


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Now this post is more like RJ. No Email address specified, text lifted verbatim from website, and link to a patriot website regarding the veterans and the 10th Amendment (note: not 14th like LB desires out of any patriot/sovereign citizens group). By the way, if you are at all curious, LB Bork has something to say about them on NMG. This isn't exactly the first time RJ hasn't been consistent with LB Bork, which makes me suspect that he stands with LB on the outset but cannot afford his services, so he's trying to peace meal his sovereignty any way that he can, all the while documenting it on CL to inspire others to do the same.

ADL is The Largest HATE GROUP (Find Out)

Date: 2011-04-29, 3:32PM EDT
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http://100777.com/node/65


The Anti-Defamation League is the longest running and most powerful hate group in the United States with 28 offices domestically and 3 offices abroad. They bring in nearly $60 million a year to combat free speech and the right of ethnic minorities to defend themselves from bigotry (including Black Muslims, Arabs, and Euro-Americans). [Sabe Note - Add the hit hate lists they prepared for FBi Louis Freeh who was in bed with KGB in own department and in Russia]


The Anti-Defamation League was created in 1913 by the racist secret society known as B'nai B'rith (which means "blood of the Chosen").


This organization, which exists today excludes people based on their ethnic background and religion. It is exclusively restricted to powerful Jews who believe in racial superiority. . . . . .. . . . . . .. .
http://100777.com/node/65






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There has been a flurry of these a week ago, and this is a definite RJ job. Post structure reminds me of RJ's LH Perez posts. There are also two posts on NMG about it, which removes all doubt. links here:
The content of the post is terrible, both by wording and message. They bring in nearly $60 million a year to combat free speech and the right of ethnic minorities to defend themselves from bigotry (including Black Muslims, Arabs, and Euro-Americans). 

  1. Yeah, because we all know that minorities are so successful at defense when they stand alone against white scrutiny. 
  2. Minorities can defend themselves with help of ADL. The ADL isn't a some one way binding contract.
  3. What could possibly be whiter than Euro-Americans? Are we talking about the more olive skinned Europeans like Italians and Greeks?
  4. ADL's original mission statement: to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens. Nope, nothing about racial superiority here.

There have also been a flurry of these posts: 

THE CONSTITUTION??

Date: 2011-04-29, 5:28PM EDT
Reply to: see below [Errors when replying to ads?]


The constitution is so outdated that it does more harm than good. It was prepered by lawyers and today's lawyers.many of whom are in congress, will not allow it to change as they make tons of money from it.


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REF BORDC

Date: 2011-04-30, 9:49AM EDT
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We have abused what you call our constitutional liberties and do not deserve all the freedom we have. Right now the constitution stands in the way of progress. If we do anything, we should drasticaly ammend the constitution. My god man, it is 226 years old.


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Someone else from BORDC did these. The group doesn't appear to be a sovereign citizens group, just anti-Patriot Act. This, of course, doesn't stop RJ from replying with his typical pap:

RE; THE CONSTITUTION?? (B.S.!)

Date: 2011-04-29, 6:08PM EDT
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The Constitution was hi jacked by Bankers and the united states of America was turned into a Corporation called THE UNITED STATES (INC) and does NOT operate on Amendments 1 thru 12 but rather thru Amendment 14 and forward, which had made it a Corporation, then making everyone a separate mini corp. and how unlawfully the people became servants of the Government rather than Government Servants to The People.


If the people grant the UNITED STATES (INC) their signature to apply for a social security card, (mini corp.) that person then has signed over their rights and waived their rights to the first twelve Amendments to become a SUBJECT/SLAVE of a Unlawful Government Posing to be "the united states of America". This citizenship now a slave under the 14th Amendment gives government total control of that persons life, in every aspect.


What the peron doesn't know is that they still carry a dual citizenship and they can denounce the 14th amendment citizenship for their GOD given rights rather than civil rights which are abbused by this foreign government to control it's people/slaves.


It is considered by experts to be a coup d'état of "OUR" organic Constitution . The Republic will be re-instated once more as more become aware and those who are wolves in sheep clothing stop telling everyone that the Constitutional is outdates for their own purpose to further destroy the moral of the American people.


The BANKERS Plans are going as planned because NO-ONE is paying Attention to what really has or is happening. Their plans are very orcastrated to the point of controlling economies!! Hmm!!


And yes the Constitution was hi jacked by Lawyers of the 14th Amendment Constitution not of the first twelve. ALL For SELF GAIN and GREED!! There are options at returning to Our Lawful Organic Constitution and Republic. Seek and you shall find!!!


The Constitution and the first twelve amendments are near master pieces!


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Definitely more inline with PAC. Note the devolution of this post, how grammar gets worse towards the end three paragraphs, with typical RJ mannerisms like inappropriate capitalization, double exclamation points, and hmm!! - tell tale signs that I'm battling an idiot.

I should point out that there's a conflict of interest in the Public Fool System post in comparison to this post. PUBLIC FOOL SYSTEM directly attacks the Constitution, and yet here RJ claims that "The Constitution and the first twelve amendments are near master pieces!" Well, which is it? You can't have both.

Perhaps I need to start up a database of Constitutions claimed by sovereign citizens?

Here's a funny exchange:

we need to wear wristbands to show support or not


Date: 2011-04-29, 1:59PM EDT
Reply to: comm-fqrhy-2353206113@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

like green if you are for the unions = you know green as in money . for the blood sucking money hungry slugs that they are = if you are for the unions bankrupting this country then wear a green wristband . And if you are of normal thinking and are for the general public surviving the unions and are for leaving something for the next generation then wear blue . If you believe the union workers should get their every month is my birthday welfare checks when they retire then wear red wristbands . Hey i thought someone once said welfare is not for life . If you are going to pay these slugs forever then it would come to about 900.00 an hour . It would be a little better to pay these leeches 100.00 an hour now and when they retire tell them to eat my shorts .It would work out better for the state and help the state survive another 6 or 8 years . So don't forget your wristbands . And sorry to say they are union made so the cheap plastic pieces of crap are 19.00 . As we believe in paying our workers 16.00 an hour for 5.00 worth of work . That is why detroit is doing so well these days . The unions bankrupted that city .!! They are progressives and they have made great progress in bankrupting them . YOU CALL THEM PROGRESSIVES =I CALL THEM REGRESSIVES .

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re: wristbands

Date: 2011-04-29, 2:55PM EDT
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Good idea! While we're at it, we should encourage all jews to wear stars of david on their lapels for easy identification. You ignorant fascist. Take your hate someplace else.

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re re wristbands ??? wtf ?

Date: 2011-04-29, 9:52PM EDT
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who in the puck said anything about my jew boys or my homeboi s . or the spicks or spades . I never said anything about anyones race or belief . or there sex . or anything . UNION LEECHES come in all colors sizes male -female & not sure;s too . young =old . There is room in this world for everyone . So what does race got to do with union scum bags sucking the blood of the state ? I DO NOT BELIEVE IN RACIST ! But the union scum just needs to get out of the general public s pocket . We should vote on if we are ok with these blood sucking mother fuckers sucking the state dry ? So get your wristband . And if you are a racist sob then get an orange wristband . and how about purple if you are a head in the sand air in the air democrat. And pink if you want to eat my shorts .

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It may not be RJ, but it does share some characteristics with RJ's sloppiest posts. However, the poster in green is a masterful troll. It's almost as if he came from Office Space.

Well, that's the crème de la crème of these posts. Stay tuned for more!

PS: Lately, there have been dozens of posts complaining about flaggers, some are RJ's, some aren't. It's kind of funny, really. I wouldn't be surprised that all of my complaining to Craigslist a few months ago made them lower the flagging thresholds, so it takes 5 or so flags to take it down instead of 25. Which is nice in a way, it makes taking out the garbage easier.
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