I decided to take a trip up to Alfred Adask's website, to see what he thinks about his appearance on last Sunday's piece. Well, he has a lengthy response about it, and he's not too pleased, but ultimately felt that he did well. I have a few thoughts on it below:
- He likens the piece to a witch-hunt, but from my understanding of witch-hunts (Salem Trials, the McCarthy era), the 60 Minutes piece is nothing in comparison.
- There's no connection made between Jerry Kane and Alfred Adask. 60 Minutes never made the connection.
- Alfred's writing is weird. He claims one thing, and then hedges it later (Ex: I'm being linked... I'm implicitly being linked. Why not say the latter the first time around?)
- Apparently he's not a gun owner. Whoops! My mistake.
- Despite having a short wave radio show and a magazine, he lives in a rented trailer, and was evicted because landlord didn't want a Ruby Ridge on his property. The actual interview was shot in a nearby hotel lobby.
- Uses God as a mechanism to make bad moves/distance himself or disown bad ideas: "My landlord thought I was a fool—and he might be right. But, as I said, the Good LORD had opened that door, so I had to walk through."
- Part of Adask's demeanor in interview is based on his feeling that he was being set up because they kept asking him the same question over and over regarding 2nd Amendment Solutions on politicians.
- Has a strange concept in advertising: Byron Pitts told me that 60 Minutes reaches between 12 and 18 million viewers each Sunday. Let’s suppose 15 million watch my interview tonight and 14 million leave absolutely convinced that Alfred Adask is the biggest a-hole that’s ever been on TV. By the time the program is over, those 14 million may all be convinced that I belong in a cage in Guantanamo. But that still leaves one million listeners who might see through the editing, see through the bias, and understand my “warning”. That’s more people in 12 minutes, than I’ve probably reached in the past 21 years. As a watchman, there’s no way I can pass up that opportunity. Good for you for passing your milestone. But don't forget, there's probably a few IRS agents who have watched the program, and plan on taking a closer look at your file because of that interview.
Feel free to check out the archive if you want to hear it Alfred's voice. I'm thinking of hosting the archived .mp3 file, but I don't want to get into a copyright battle. I'll shoot wwfar.com an Email about it some time.
http://dgscoins.americanvoiceradio.com/indie-tues-avr.mp3 (May 17th 2011, subject to change)
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So how is LB Bork and RJ coping with the 60 Minutes piece?
JJ MacNab's thread moved up to front page. A quick excerpt of the first post:
LB's sexism is showing here. No true woman would question LB Bork and his scheme for they must obey men as commanded in the Bible.The thing is, I can agree with most of what she says. Too bad about her assuming things. Nontheless, reading her material, she must believe in involuntary servitude by the way she thinks. If you want to understand the psyche of this "woman (term used loosely)", just one look at the posts she makes on her sites:
- Red Crayons : http://www.redcrayons.net
- JJ MacNab : http://www.deathandtaxes.com
Interesting deflection there, LB. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 is not related in the way that you think it is. She's talking about a real movement. Here's everything else Google pulls up. It's well documented, and part of your theories come from that movement.
May 15, 2011
Byron Pitts reports on a movement the FBI now considers one of the nation's top domestic terror threats
"What is a sovereign citizen?" Pitts asked J.J. MacNab, who has been studying sovereign citizens for a decade. "Sovereign citizen, in its simplest form, believes that he is above the law," she explained. MacNab has testified before Congress and is writing a book about the movement. "He has a twisted sense of history and he thinks that people who lived in the 18th century were free of all legal constraints. And they want to return to that time now," she said. Jerry and Joe Kane were part of an anti-government movement whose roots date back to the racist Posse Comitatus of the 1970s and the Montana Freemen of the 1990s. Convicted Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols was a sovereign citizen. And tax filings by actor Wesley Snipes, convicted of tax evasion in 2008, include numerous examples of sovereign language. "(The) Average sovereign citizen today is 30-35, and is in economic dire straits. They've probably lost their job. They've probably lost the wife," MacNab said. Asked if they're paranoid, she told Pitts, "Many are." "Conspiracy theorists?" Pitts asked. "Most are," she replied.
SHOULD I REALLY COMMENT ON THIS
Anyway, I am not a "Sovereign Citizen". Who came up with this anyway?
And a Conspiracy Theorist"? No, I tend to like to prove unlawful-secret plots with evidence.
I got into "Truth Seeking" when I was over thirty... Not that those MacNab comments were all that accurate.
Finally, "racist Posse Comitatus"... You have got to be kidding?!? LOL * More on Posse Commitatus below
* POSSE COMITATUS NOTES
JJ's version, which may be some agent provocateur operation for all we know...
RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST GROUPS OF INTEREST. The Posse Comitatus (from the Latin phrase meaning "force of the county") is a loosely organized far right social movement that opposes the United States federal government and believes in radical localism. There is no single national group, and local units are autonomous. From American Fraud
The real Posse Comitatus, from the Homeland Security Website...
History. The original 1878 Posse Comitatus Act was indeed passed with the intent of removing the Army from domestic law enforcement. Posse comitatus means “the power of the county,” reflecting the inherent power of the old West county sheriff to call upon a posse of able-bodied men to supplement law enforcement assets and thereby maintain the peace. Following the Civil War, the Army had been used extensively throughout the South to maintain civil order, to enforce the policies of the Reconstruction era, and to ensure that any lingering sentiments of rebellion were crushed. However, in reaching those goals, the Army necessarily became involved in traditional police roles and in enforcing politically volatile Reconstruction-era policies. The stationing of federal troops at political events and polling places under the justification of maintaining domestic order became of increasing concern to Congress, which felt that the Army was becoming politicized and straying from its original national defense mission. The Posse Comitatus Act was passed to remove the Army from civilian law enforcement and to return it to its role of defending the borders of the United States. From The Myth of Posse Comitatus
As you can see, the United States was out-of-line. And, the term "rebel" as used against the falsely named "Civil War" is also an out-of-line propaganda term. The courts even refer to it as "War Between the States" as a civil war is internal to a nation. Point, there was no "rebellion" against the United States. Check the "real" law on this. This abuse of the United States is cause for some people to be upset. Truth does not make someone "anti-government".
Here is the paper I wrote, thanks to JJ MacNab and her ignorance The Origin of Sovereign Citizens
Sidethought: I still find it amusing that LB loathes being called a Sovereign Citizen, but still acts like one.
Here's the real 60 Minutes thread. Some quick snippets:
LB Bork: Garbage referral service. Surely not the only one.SPREAD THE WORD - 60 MINS CLIP SUNDAY YOUR TIME ZONE ON THE SOVEREIGN MOVEMENT
CBS 60 Minutes is going to do a hit piece on the Sovereign Citizen movement this Sunday May 15th featuring Jerry Kane and Alfred Adask. We need people to watch it and then email or write CBS with their displeasure at the skewing of and propagandizing of this movement.
Anti-government "guru" explains doctrine. Ever heard of the sovereign citizen movement? Alfred Adask explains the straw man theory and other anti-government beliefs to "60 Minutes."
This next one is a gem.
I have seen crazy theories regarding Jerry and Joe Kane's last moments on Earth, but none this stupid. Bob Hurt is definitely from another planet.From: Bob Hurt <bob@bobhurt.com>
Subject: [Lawmen: 4331] CBS Prevaricates about Sovereign Citizens, supports ADL and SPLC Pinkos
To: lawmen@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 3:01 PM
Did you see this 60 min interview with cops and so-called sovereign citizens yesterday?
http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/3679870-60-Minutes-focuses-on-s...
The story fails to point out what I told Clem Taylor, a producer of the segment repeatedly:
The patriot movement (incuding sovereign citizens) arises as a direct consequence of crime in government
(by government employees under color of law).
The show pointed to the SWAT murder of father and son educators Jerry and Joe Kane in a Wal-Mart parking lot as JUSTIFIED by the notion that they had murdered the police chief's son and nephew during a traffic stop on an I41 offramp near West Memphis Arkansas last year. Donna Kane, Jerry's widow, has filed federal lawsuit for torture killing against the SWAT and their seniors. She has proven uncontrovertibly that Jerry and Jo did not kill those cops, and that the SWAT murders of J and J amounted to an execution for their activism, as targets of opportunity. I know Donna personally and have listened to her explain in detail how the cops altered some evidence, suppressed other evidence, and lied about J and J, who had nothing to do with the cops' deaths.
Thus, CBS used its bully pulpit to smear J and J, justify their SWAT murder, and justify nationwide persecution of innocent sovereign citizens (fed up with government crimes in courts, by cops, and by the IRS) across America. Apparently they do so under direction of the Anti Defamation League and Southern Poverty Law Center, both Pinko groups whose leaders and propagandists hate seeing Americans stand up for their rights against government crooks, in spite of that very purpose symbolized by their names.
Let us face a harsh reality here. IF cops or other government employees abuse people or stomp on their rights, under color of law or not, they thereby BEG for their own assassination by people who righteously, and justifiably, HATE crime in government. The Chief and his son may have had a reputation for abusing people. CBS refused to address that important issue. The evidence showed that they stopped a white van with an orange roof (which J and J's car did not have) and hispanic men killed them with automatic machine guns that fired bullets in such quantity as to eliminate the Kanes from the suspect list, for the Kanes did not have weapons that could put that amount of metal (28 rounds, according to CBS, but Donna indicated many more than that) into those cops.
J and J had an AK47. It does not shoot the kinds of bullets found in the cops' bodies.
J and J had no other automatic weapons.
Bottom Line, J and J did not kill those cops, and SWAT killed J and J, and CBS implied J and J did kill the cops. Clem Taylor failed to include Donna Wray's comments in the story, even after I gave them her contact info and told them they needed her story to get at the truth. Apparently CBS does not care about the truth and only wants to make cops hate sovereign citizens. I expect to hear an increasing array of stories about cops abusing people as a result.
It's funny, because I know you two for a half of a year, and your both full of it.on May 17th, 2011 at 9:16pm:
I saw the show Sunday night and was disheartened by the obvious bias of the presentation. I only became aware of Adask a few weeks ago so I can't comment much on him in particular. Any opinions out there on him (good? bad?)
I have know Al for years. He is a great guy, but seems not to dismiss anything. Of course I have been recently referred to as a "Purist". The way I look at it, there is BS and there is Accuracy.
Of course, in law sometimes that is hard to acheive.
Well, that is all that I can muster. Stay tuned.
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