From the People Dividing the Movement subforum, Thread: "No, I am a State National." Gregory B tries to inject his own concept of "sense" into some UCC knuckleheads.
NEWSFLASH: You're all US Citizens, you never renounced your federal citizenship or taken on a special status that makes you Immune to the Federal Government aka IRS. LB Bork's comment:I've been engaged in a ideological battle of sorts with sovereign citizens, freemen on the land and followers of Tim Tuner on Facebook and to today I asked a practitioner of the UCC if he was a US citizen. This is his reply:
"No, I am a State National. My trust account is still a "citizen"/"franchise" though. I just used a different process. I have separated my natural self from the trust/franchise and taken the role of Administrator/Executor in it's use. To me, the franchise/trust is a tool, not just a name."
This is the second person to tell me that they were a State National and that they used a different process that utilizes the UCC to establish a state national status.
I've managed to pull a couple of people away from this line of thinking, but, most of these so-called patriots actually think that their rights are somehow derived from and protected by, the UCC. It's all about the UCC to them.
Oh, and by the way, I told him he was IN FACT still a US citizen.
It says No Homers, we're allowed to have one! Furthermore from LB Bork:I have never heard of the maxim, 'You can have your cake and eat it too.'
The Uniform Commercial Code and all the private law these governments establish is predicated on the "citizen and national of the United States" status. You are either that person, or you are not.
What idiocy... That is what happens when the government releases plants to mess up the works.
Now more than ever, we need to separate ourselves from these idiots who buy into this nonsense.
These moronic people will never be part of State Nationals Society.
Branded the term? Shouldn't it be discovered? You can't brand something that you claim already exists long before you. Otherwise, you might as well admit that the whole thing is an 'invention', or a fabrication to bilk desperate people.Oh, and it is easy to tell who has stolen the concept of being a national of a state...
As it was I who branded the term "State National". Everyone from idgits, like BrotherB mentioned, to those disinformation artists at Family Guardian have plagiarized it and abused it to the point of confusion. Too bad these people are out there.
Not saying there is not a concept of law behind it...
Just saying the principles behind the term was researched and developed by PAC.
Also, it was I that started teaching people that each state is a republic about ten years ago. People like the above mentioned (Family Tardian) and Tim Turner are just disinfo agents/thieves that profit off such things.
Christ, the hubris in this thread. Moving on...
My case on why RJ should be kicked out of the PAC Alliance (bolding for emphasis):
Seriously, has LB ever read what RJ is churning out lately? LB really owes it to us - if he's going to hire someone to spam the forum mercilessly, then I demand for some quality control. I want pure PAC posts all the time and nothing else.We ask that you promote the PAC Alliance Program WebRing. We need many people on board networking via the Internet to intensify the strength of the Coalition and the Living Network. Below is the Banner for the WebRing.
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Now onto the meat of this field trip: The Not My Government Welcome Visitors thread features some dumb people with dumb opinions explain how they found Pacinlaw.
Remember that post that LB made on my blog about his organization not being racist, because they help/employ black people too? Let me refresh you:
Well, I think I found LB's black friend! Ngone writes:Best posts? Hmmm... Into yourself? LOL No critical thinking from this Guy with No Life who hides behind the Internet, just cut and paste thoughts from Internet searches. Oh, and PAC has black people who work with us. FAIL. PAC material scares him so he has to do this. Poor little weak minded soul. Big loser on this one!
Sounds like a Moorish Science Temple of America adherent. In all seriousness, according to the SPLC, there has been a rise in African American sovereign citizen membership. It's weird to joke about it, but like the poor and hideously-in-debt farmers of the 1970's Midwest, African Americans also face the same desperation caused by poverty, and because of this, they are an easy target for sovereign ideology/schemes. (Anecdote: I actually saw an episode of Parking Wars on A&E where a black person used the sovereign citizen defense to ward off the tow truck driver. His car still got towed anyway.)Greetings Members,
Thanks for the welcome and a special note of thanks to the moderator LeAnn for sharing with me about the Red Amendent, and the invitation to join this forum.
My name is Ngon'e Ada : Aw, I have been studying for quite a few years, and even though I am some what aware of the nature of the problems PAC seeks remedy for, I'm not yet sure if I'm in the right place, I know there is something very wrong with the current political situation in the United States and the world for that matter, but then as I reflect, there was also something wrong in 1776 for many of the people in this Nation. I have had the priviledge of living abroad in Ghana, West Africa, for 3.5 yrs, and that opened my eyes even more. being of African Descent, born in America, I find myself between a rock and a hard place. On one hand being born on this continent, and the other my Ancestors never really being a part of the orignal creation of the Union. So with that said, I am hear to learn and seeking a deep understanding of the issues from different perspectives, one size does not fit all in this circumstance.
I look forward to particaption and learning from the group.
Respectfully,
Ngon'e Aw
Chances are, LB (and PAC staff) do provide "services" to African Americans on a greater scale. It would be bad business sense not to. However, this doesn't absolve him of his racist views. We know that he acknowledges faith in Zionist conspiracy theories (RJ especially), and has issues with Islam, and has a hard time reconciling the racist past of his scheme (whitewashing and accusing critics of playing the race card).
Someday, when I get bored with Pacinlaw, I'll make a new blog about ethnically based sovereign citizen scams. It's really a fascinating topic.
Alex writes:
Don't get too attached to these feelings. All of them will come crashing down soon enough.Hello. My name is Alex. I am domiciled in the New Hampshire Republic. The road in front of me looks treacherous but I look forward with anticipation.
In a sense, the vibe I feel is similar to my first day of school when I was a boy. Sure, I feel a bit of apprehension due to the fear of the unknown but, in the same breath, I feel almost giddy with the thoughts of independence floating around inside my head. I know that the only thing I need to fear is fear itself. I am in the correct mindset for this undertaking and I simply need to prepare myself for the journey.
MoHawka stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss stared back at him:
Most conspiracy theories are connected to each other such that it's easy to "fall through" them. Unfortunately, whatever critical thinking faculties MoHawka once had were easily defeated by a heaping load of bullshit.Hello everybody.
This is my first visit here and I wanted to get to know the people here and tell a little about myself. To start of with how i got here is a long story but a condensed version I will spill to you all. It all started with the H1N1 propaganda then I could never find the bottom of the rabbit hole. Then the other day I was surfin around on my phone looking at Title 4 says your flag is schwag info and some how came up on this site which seems might be educational/informational, but so far all I can really see is a bunch of propaganda trying to get me to buy some book. But anyway I understand that this false government has taken all our freedoms and has pretended to give us freedom for a very long time and I want to fix it, so I mainly want to get as much info as I can so I know how to proceed properly. And as a side note I have also discovered that our food, water, and air have all been contaminated with fluoride, gmo, and chemtrails (morgellons disease) I know this has noting to do with our sovereignty but I think that theses are all included with the lie because if we knew the ultimate lie the rest will fall apart as well.
Thats all for now I hope to able to help and be help with our cause.
p.s. Then the other day I was surfin around on my phone looking at Title 4 says your flag is schwag info and some how came up on this site which seems might be educational/informational, but so far all I can really see is a bunch of propaganda trying to get me to buy some book. With further review Its not so much propaganda but the necessary first step after first realizing the truth of the 14th Amendment.
Silver Dave probably came from a more religiously oriented sovereign citizens group.
BetaTestVictim wins the Ironic post/username combo.Shalom Ya'll !!
My name is David and currently live in the nation of Tennessee. I eventually came to this website as a result of searching how to correct my relationship with the governing authorities of this world. If you want to learn to live by the Creators perfect law rather than the laws of men, I believe you have arrived at the right place to start that education process.
This comes with a warning though: If youre looking for a quick fix or wish to remain ignorant, you'll be disappointed. There's a lot to learn and I still have a long way to go, myself.
First of all, read the "red amendment. It's tough, but it's worth it. Second, dedicate yourself to an ongoing education and don't give up. Anything worthwhile comes with a price but with the Father, all things are possible.
I welcome you and hope to see more of ya
David G
What a strangely stupid, yet accurate post.Hey all!!
Been a member for about 6 months. Am trying to wrap my brain around issues involved with becoming a State National. Hope to one day take the "big step". I have not read The Red Amendment yet. I have it started...it makes my brain hurt. I think it's much like working out in a gym. You have to build yourself up a bit to handle the heavy stuff. I'm getting there. DL'd a Blacks Law dictionary the other day to help me out. I think I'll be ordering a hard copy of the dictionary soon.
I have, in the last 3 months or so, joined Facebook. Provided some folks the PAC link.
I was pleased to be able to pass it on.
Thanks LB for all your work!!
farmerpm writes:
I guess that "Deprogramming video" (aka The Matrix trailer) is effective. Who would have thunk it?Good morning to you all in the PAC community! I am NEW NEW NEW to this posting business...So I hope I catch on quicker than my first attempt here! I watched the Deprogramming video which led me to look more through the site and listen to the radio interview with LB Bork which led me to my very first attempt at signing up for this...what do I call it?...a blog? See how NEW I am to all of this? Oye!! So, suffice it to say that I am very excited to continue on this journey of awakening and gaining back all of the years of being dumbed down by society, media, and the educational system. Thanks for allowing me into the fold.
This next user, eastcoastwesty, is a victim of the early Craigslist bos /pol/ spam effort (Nov. 23, 2010). I don't know how well my containment policy is working now, but I take one loss very seriously. My first few CL posts weren't all that effective.
william wallace writes:Good Day All,
What lead me to the PAC educational sites was a posting that I happened across while doing a job search on CraigsList. I am not sure who wrote that post, but it got me thinking again about issues that I had buried back in my mind 15 years earlier.
In sadness and disbelief, I watched what happened at both Ruby Ridge and Waco unfold on my TV. Those atrocities got me motivated for obtaining my REAL education about what the US Government had become. Scouring the internet for hours on end, reading more books than I ever had in school, I began to realize that I wanted no part in what I thought was MY government. So my personal answer was to "drop out" of the system in all ways I could think of. My only problem was that I had not realized how many different (and ingenious) anchors that this US federal system had me tied to - that is until I read the Red Amendment!
Since finding that CraigsList posting, I have read LB's book, logged many hours on the various PAC sites and have started my status change to become a State National from the great Country of Massachusetts - a Mass National!
Thank you LB, for both finding the right path AND showing us the way.
In the same vein, The Daily Paul is another one of RJ's stomping grounds. The difference being is that I don't have the time to police every right wing website, hence my blog's existence.Hello everyone William Wallace here,
I'm very excited to get to know everyone.
I stumbled across the link on The Daily Paul while doing some research on another movement out there. A disinformation movement I'll add.
I've been studying this kind of stuff for about 25yrs. now. Everything I had studied up until this time was never complete. It just seemed like bits and pieces of a much bigger puzzle. I hope I've found a home where I can rest from all the disinformation and learn what's really going on.
William Wallace - Freedom !!!!!
Patriot1776Freedom is either a funny troll, or a dumbass:
Well, that's it folks. By posting this, I have released myself from ever having to visit that forum ever again.Hello, I'm from Spring Hill, Florida, and going to run for office for the first time.
Jerry: Then why are you here?
LB Bork: That is what I thought
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