Absence and Return (9th CL post)

After I trolled him with the Commies on Ice post, he took a month long break. It was beautiful. I had so much free time trolling that I attacked everyone, GOP posters, KaptainAmericana, and a newcomer dubbed DisposableDads - a misogynist fighting for fathers rights. I trolled him so hard as a militant feminist that he stopped posting in Boston /pol/, and in every /pol/ altogether. But then, on the 9th of Jan, he came back more obnoxiously.

The following post got deleted. RJ Mills (spammer) learned how to flag posts he doesn't like, and flagged me off. In retrospect, my post is a tad too strong. Take it or leave it, trollin' is not for the weak of heart.

2152528633   Jan 09 11 08:51:41 PM   bos   politics   Hey look, new shit from PACINLAW

Translation: I'm a stupid motherfucker who's trying to evade the IRS. If I get enough people to take my advice seriously, then we can claim that the tax law doesn't work, therefore unenforceable, and unconstitutional. Also, the only slavery is white slavery. Don't question me over it, you commie nigger! I'm clearly an 'expert' legal scholar, I've read the Da Vinci Code, I know all the hidden shit in the constitution! We all know that everything comes down to spelling and capitalization.

But hey, for a $30 "donation", you too can get a poorly bound book chronicling my research on the internet.

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"Relinquishment of United States Nationality"
Date: 2011-01-09, 10:33PM EST
Reply to: see below

http://www.pacinlaw.org/questions/

THE FOLLOWING information poses a series of questions to those people who believe that "Relinquishment of United States Nationality" is not the proper legal operation to remove oneself from under the general jurisdiction of the state and federal governments.

The following questions are addressed to those that do not agree with status rectification. Furthermore, the questions also address and point out the flaws of people claiming to be [C]itizens, state [c]itizens, citizens of the United States of America or sovereigns.

I have found that no one will or can address the questions with any proper satisfaction.

Herein I also briefly explain the Expatriation Act and its application.

/s/ LB Bork, People’s Awareness Coalition
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Some people believe in the United States of America that they are capital ‘C’ Citizens, state citizens, citizens of the United States of America, or claim to be a sovereign. They believe this without making any record that they are not such persons, as pursuant to law. Furthermore, it seems that some people have a problem understanding the Act of the 40th Congress, Stat 15, Chapter 249, pps 223-224 (see herein evidenced below).
In regard to these issues my questions are as follows:

1. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This language denotes or sets forth a dual citizenship.
Question: How can you claim to be a state citizen and not be a United States citizen if this amendment only allows you to be both?

2. It is evidenced (or defined) in Ballentine’s Law Dictionary that a citizen of a state is a citizen of the United States residing in any state of the Union.
Question: How can you be a state citizen without being a citizen of the United States as the above legal reference sets forth?

3. The Supreme Court of Utah stated in Dyett v Turner (20 Utah 2d 403) that people of the several states were disfranchised by the 14th Amendment, see also Congressional Record-House, June 13, 1967, pp 15641-15646.
Question: A “citizen” has political rights, how do you vote in elections?

4. Black’s Law Dictionary defines Constitutional Liberty or Freedom as a fundamental right of a citizen which affords him the right to participate in the government of his state or country, which includes voting for any federal, state and local public officers.
Question: If you are a state citizen, how do you vote if you have to be a US citizen?

5. So, you are calling yourself a state citizen or a citizen of the United States of America.
Question: When is the election held that elects the officers of the state government that you are part of if you have political rights?

6. Anyone that is calling himself a state citizen is stating that he has political rights.
Question: Are you not committing an act of sedition against the suffrage laws (of right) that the republic of your birth had prior to the 14th Amendment?

7. It is my understanding that in order to participate in a body politic or be a member of a civil society that one is not born into that one has to be naturalized into it; hence the women and the blacks—or ex-slaves—must have been given a form of ‘denizenship’ by the federal government (see relevant post-14th Amendment amendments).1
Question: Are you participating in a different state body politic than the ex-slaves and the women that were not allowed to vote prior to the 14th Amendment?

8. People that claim to be state citizens must have representation in the state and federal governments because citizens are due representation in American law.
Question: How can any state and federal officers represent you if you cannot vote for any such officers because you have to be a US citizen to vote?

9. In the Dred Scott decision—which was a pre-14th Amendment case—the Supreme Court stated that the United States could not impose law on the people that lived in the Territories of the United States, let alone the states.
Question: Being that you are a state citizen and tacitly claiming that the governments represent you, as Congress is now imposing law on the people in the several states are you saying that all state and federal law applies to you?

10. There are people that claim to be sovereign.2 In law, a sovereign can declare war on another nation and also mandate laws on people it or he (or she) governs.
Question: As you claim to be a sovereign, can you do the above listed things?

11. Some general questions addressed to people that claim to be state citizens:

Question: What is your nationality?
Question: Are you an American? “America” relates to land mass, it is not a country.
Question: What is the name of your country?
Question: Are you an inhabitant or a state citizen?
Question: Do you owe allegiance to the United States?

12. Section 2 of the 14th Amendment sets forth that so-called “state citizens” are persons or inhabitants in its long and detailed language.
Question: Where is state citizen referenced in the section above mentioned?


1 15th Amendment. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. 19th Amendment. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

2 See this information at: http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Sovereigns_without_Subjects.php

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13. In international law: a citizen is also deemed a subject. This is also defined in Ballentine’s Law Dictionary; reference definition: subject. citizen.
Question: As you are a state citizen, are you a subject of the governments?

14. In international law, a child carries the citizenship of his father.

Question: As your father was presumed to have voted and only US citizens may vote in elections, how can you be a state citizen and not a citizen of the United States or claim to be a citizen of the United States of America?

15. Ballentine’s Law Dictionary defines “expatriation” as: A voluntary change of allegiance from one country to another, effecting an absolute termination of all civil and political rights as of the date of such act.
Question: As you are claiming to be a state citizen and you are tacitly stating that you have political rights, do you have the same (civil) rights as an ex-slave?

16. In Webster’s Dictionary of 1828 under the definition of “Insurgent,” a “Rebel” is defined as being part of a faction that has of main purpose of turning the sovereignty (e.g. political sovereignty) of his country over to another power.


Question: As you are claiming to be a state citizen with the 14th Amendment political system in place, are you not turning the political sovereignty (which is not delegated by the Constitution of the United States) of your country (state) over to the United States which would make you a rebel?

17. There are some people that state that the Preamble of the so-called “Expatriation Act” (Stat 15, Chapter 249) is in reference to governments that are foreign to America.
Question: In reference to the language of the preamble, if the United States invested such immigrants with citizenship, who are required when such citizenship is granted to forever give up their allegiance to every foreign state, prince, sovereignty, etc. when they were granted American citizenship, how does this apply as some people have stated? That is to say: that the allegiance that is to be forever disavowed is to the foreign countries of which these immigrants came from; hence, there was no reason for them to give up their allegiance as it had already been done when they were granted American citizenship; moreover, how would that action be settling the “public peace” as stated by Congress?

18. American Heritage Dictionary defines “expatriate” as: To renounce allegiance to one’s homeland; and further Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 1856, defines “country” as: By country is meant the state of which one is a member.
Question: As it appears that Congress has its own citizens and possesses land that it is not constitutionally authorized to control, as you claim to be a state citizen, are you saying that the whole United States of America is your homeland?

19. Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto had the plan that the Communists (so-called) were going to abolish countries and nationality.
Question: As you are claiming to be a state citizen and not claiming the nationality of your country, are you a Communist?

See More At http://www.pacinlaw.org/questions/

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There are hints of racism in his post. In future posts I call him out on it, and he claims that he is "not racist", yet he constantly espouses the Posse Comitatus legal theories, which in their nature are racist. Refer to my first post for more.

I could counter each and every one of those questions, but that would be a waste of time. I do a few.

The question of capitalization: This is Da Vinci Code bullshit. Capitalization does not change a thing. This is a common tax defiance argument in regards to the 16th Amendment, "that it's illegally ratified because of differences in language and capitalization in each state's version of the amendment". This argument is bogus and has never worked. Do not try this in court, or file bogus paperwork regarding this to the IRS. One can receive jailtime and a big fine with it. Check out IRS's Frivolous Tax Arguments for more.

Regarding 14th Amendment section 1:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.  

Tthe Supreme Court has ruled that US citizenship is supreme. If you were born in a state, you are a US citizen, and subject to US jurisdiction. Even if you tried to renounce US citizenship and claim state citizenship, you're still under federal jurisdiction (and if you somehow successfully do this, you become an alien, and subject to deportation. However, the US does not allow people to renounce their citizenship without a citizenship of another country, so it looks like you're gonna pay taxes, bro.). In essence, you can't have one without the other.   

Regarding Dyett v. Turner: this is a commonly quoted Utah Supreme Court case among the 14th Amendment conspiracy theorists. It casts doubt in the legality of the 14th Amendment. Currently, I don't give a shit about it.

Finally, after posting about Wikipedia butthurt, I think I have stumbled across a questionable Wikipedia article. <url>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_citizenship</url>. Username is Excess, has no profile. It's 3 in the morning. so maybe I'm crazy, but I'm running into Big S little s grade shit.